[Particle Girl]: But Avril *is* a poser. I don't see what the big argument is...

[Valcrist]: punk died in the 80's the true punkers where like the sex pistols and ramones and the clash i honestly dont care if you like avril thats your choice but she isnt punk! nore is blink 182, or simple plan and plenty of other bands i can name blink 182 used to be punk but ever scense their drummer died they started being wannabe emo! anyone who sais theyre a punk is a poser because the definition of a punk is someone who is theyre self and excepts no title but thyre name!!

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I agree with you. but my point is that it is unfair to go around labelling people a poser whenin my opinion is just so that people will go "Wow she really knows what she is talking about, she must be REALLY punk" which is not punk! I agree with you about blink 182. I didn't realize that their drummer died. Anyway, I label myself punk and no I am not a poser because my definition of punk is someone you is sure of who they are and wont let anyone else tell them anything different. I know I'm punk and I could care less if ANY body agrees with me. I enjoy getting both sides of the argument and sometimes (such as now) you get one more concrete than "Avril's a Poser and so are all of you!"

[DeadlyAlucard]: Wait...up top I read that it says 'please NO preps.' A fan is a fan though. It doesn't matter if someone is preppy and likes Avril Lavigne. That's just being shallow. No preps...hah...that's actually you being very prejudice. Who cares about what someone wears, really?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I have very little against prep (at least when it comes to clothes) but this wiki is for Punks who like avril. Like I said this is not a fan club for everyone.

[Diab Soule]: None of you are punks. I know a punk. He's Judd from the Hypocrites. Oooold punk band. But non of you are punks. Punk isn't a clothing style. I know I usually don't have much to say here but...well...that last comment was extremely shallow...which is waht "preps" are known for. 

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I am aware that my last post did seem stupid and shallow. But its not my fault I ran out of room and was typing it up in a hurry. I'm WAY tired right now to explain but I'll try and be more detailed later. Sorry :(

[DeadlyAlucard]: There's no such things as punks anyway. The whole punk age died out in the 80's. Anyone who says they are a punk now are just trying to make it back to the 80's. People need to accept it's dead and gone. I think the...um...00's...is that what they call it?...well anyway the 00's have whole style of their own...it's called...um...wanker. Hooray for the wanker era!

[dendrite.]: such a lovely conversation..im tired of hearing about this punk crap arghhhhh blah blah blah

[ToxicBlackMess]: Damn...I'm suprized there is a positive wiki for Avril La-Flange

[Jen-Jen]: Shade....good charlotte arnt punk.......if your looking for punk check out The Slits

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: .... and The Ramones

[dendrite.]: forget all the punk shit it's just a word a damn fashion in ur so called intelligent minds,stop using the word ive gotten over that crap and i havent said it anymore what u wear is what u wear damn it's just clothes

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: If you're tired of hearing about punk..... GO AWAY!!!!!!

[dendrite.]: no im free to express my opinion wherever i go

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Duh! but you can't expect every conversation to evolve around what you want to talk about! Your free to say your opinion I'm free to tell you to shut up! You're free not to listen! Thats the way it works. Called freedom of speech!

[dendrite.]: did i say i wanted to talk about something else no i fuckin didnt i just said that this punk crap needs to stop u may be free to tell me to shut up but that won't stop me

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: What did I just say?!?! Punk is not clothing. You idiot! Its an attitude. That people have incorporated with a kind of clothing! And just because you don't get it doesn't mean everyone else has to forget all about PUNK!

[dendrite.]: punk is not an attitude either word word word that's all there is to it u just refuse to accept that in ur puny little mind

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: First off my fucking head is abnormally large so I don't think that my mind is puny! What you refuse to accept is that no matter how pushy and bitchy you are. Not everyone is gonna agree with you or care what you have to say! I couldn't care less what you think. So I am leaving now! GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!!

[dendrite.]: ehehe i am pushy and bitchy and damn right proud of it :D ur head may be large but it's a possibility ur brain is small everyone doesn thave to agree with me i don't look for them to and i don't care what u think cause im not here to please you :)

[Diab Soule]: Punk isn't an attitude....it's a music sub-culture. Avril isn't a part of it. OH OH OH!!! A PUNK!!! Umm....the world punk originally meant "prison bitch" But yea...this is just outright....none of you are punks. 

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Punk Origionally Origionally meant prostitute then it meant prison bitch then it meant juvenile diliquent then two brothers from New York, liked the idea of being a juvenile diliquent. Started a magazine called punk about punk rock music.

[Diab Soule]: no...fuck originally meant prostitute. punk originally originally meant "dried wood or pulp" Punk was started in England. The Ramones came in and perfected it in my opinion. But the point is, nobody here is a punk. I'm not one, you aren't one, nobody on elftown basically. I know A punk. One. Singular. He's like..in his thirties. You're all just kids who recently bought into this whole punky deal. That's what I'm trying to say. You aren't punks. And Avril isn't either. She's manufactured. Oh...and a "prep" is a kid who attends a preparatory academy...Even I would like to go to one of those...they're nice...so yea...cut the prep shit.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I know what a prep is. and are you saying that fuck origionally meant prostitute? Cause it didn't. Fuck comes from the last name of a man you invented a machine that pumped oil or something that made the motion of doing it and these two idiot guys were looking at it and one went to the other guy and said "Yeah know it kinda looks like sex" and thats were that word came from. 

[Diab Soule]: no...For Unlawfal Carnal Knowledge. They tatooed onto prostitutes. 

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Hey, I thought about it last night and realized your point. But I'm not gonna type it all up here, cause it wont fit. But I'll post it up later.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Kay I've posted up my newly revised opinion at Is Punk Dead?.

[tehpunkingdolly]: avril isnt a punk

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: No she isn't. Read Is Punk Dead? my essay. You can skip the first two paragraphs if you want they are unimportant.... good... but not entirely relevant.

[defective suicide6669]: i dont like avril lavigne. everyone always tells me i look like her. it makes me mad.

[defective suicide6669]: and i agree, avril isnt punk

[dendrite.]: [Diab Soule] has a point, but still, why argue about who's punk and who's prep it doesnt matter true teenagers did pick up the word its nothing but a slang something that young teenagers wanted to call themselves nothing more

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: she didn't say that there was no such thing as punk!!! She said that nobody other than punks from '77 and the 80's are punk! D'uh!

[dendrite.]: so courtnet what do u think about it? i want to hear your opinion on this since u seem to be so "educated" on this please tell me

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: [Diab Soule]'s right! none of us are punk, true punks were in the eighties and we are just people who believe in there awesome philosophy. Read my lame ass essay!

[Diab Soule]: well...honestly i have a problem with the philosophy as well at times. Punk...That word is so overused nowadays. Really if you wanna know what there is to know about "punk" watch SLC Punk and PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE END. Then come back to Elftown and tell me what you've learned.

[Diab Soule]: NOW GO RENT SLC PUNK! It is am edumacational. yep. Get R Dun.

[dendrite.]: wow she finally agrees hell has frozen over

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: You are such a fucking asswipe!!!!!! So's Hell's Frozen over ey? So, is that why you got out early?!?!!?! Anyway, I agree that you can't be truelly punk unless you were part of the whole thing. But I still stand up for Avril. And I never said Avril was punk cause she's not. Kay? I'm just saying shes not a poser!!! Well I mean Innocent till proven Guilty!!!! and don't bring up those quotes shit. I still aint convensed!!!!! Oh and I will do on the SLC Punk thing but I'll have to find a video store that holds it or something.

[dendrite.]: say what you will...ur just another ill-child like [Pontius Pilate]

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Why is [Pontius Pilate] ill?... Other than the fact he likes The Smashing Pumpkins?

[dendrite.]: he has decided to put me on some god forsaken list of a wiki called Fake Goths don't know what the hell for but because I like evanescence he thinks that ever person that likes evanescence is stupid i wont argue with this person over the fact that he says evanescence is fake goths or whatever just something else he's trying to start

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Hey thats not fair! I've been trying to get on fake goths. Well I guess not very hard but oh well!

[dendrite.]: i am no goth at all what the fuck are u not hearing i do not wear black all the time and all that shit i never said i was a damn goth or punk or whatever the fuck teens use these words for these days i don't try hard at all for anything obviously u know nothing about me if u did u would know im not a fucking goth idiot

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: IT WORKED! IT WORKED! I love having complete control on other peoples anger! ^_^ 

[dendrite.]: yif i were angry i would be spouting more than those kind of words at u im not angry at all just stating what i need to say

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Oh right forgot. You're always that bitchy! Sorry :(

[dendrite.]: ^_6 yes i was born to be bitchy it is in my blood and heritage

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: noticed....

[Tommy Gnossis]: |\/|y a55 > j00.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: ?

[Diab Soule]: LMAO!! j00 4.-3 4 |_337 |\/|4573.- [Tommy Gnossis] oh...and HEDWIG ROCKS MY WORLD!

[Valcrist]: FUCK ALL SOCIAL STATUS IT DOES NOT MATTER YOUR STUPIDITY IS UNCONTROLLABLE ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT THAT INCLUDES GIVING YOURSELF A LABEL UNLESS ITS YOUR NAME OR PROFESSION!! MY POINT IS MADE!!!!!!

[Valcrist]: sorry for that burst of anger have a nice day

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: What the hell is with the code?!?!?!

[Tommy Gnossis]: Eeheehee. Hedwig rox0rz my sox0rz. It's teh pwnage, yo. :)

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Again.... what the hell is with this code?!?!?!

[Tommy Gnossis]: Eeheehee. Hedwig rox0rz my sox0rz. It's teh pwnage, yo. :)

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]:

STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Keeper of Darkness]: Avril Lavigne < I think it still needs to be finnished but it will be!!

[Itsme2]: sooo...yay Avril

[Tommy Gnossis]: *Blows kiss* I ro j00. :)

[PettyDeath]: Tommy, you're hot.... |-|07Z0,-Z... Avril licked my face once.. so did a moose.. if I had to choose again, I'd have the moose lick me because at least it was polite and attractive. Valcrist: bursts of anger turn me on... not really.. no.. but once a special ed kid got really frusterated and I was turned on by that. The real Courtney Love is a joke.. she killed Kurt.. KILLED HIM!!! Just like Yoko did to John!! T3|-| C0D3 ist |-|07!!!!!! AVRIL's GOT SMALL ORANGUTANG BOOBIES!!! Tommy: I ro j00.

[Itsme2]: Interesting....

[PettyDeath]: How come no one talks to me anymore? Is it because I'm black? So help me if it's because I'm black!!

[dendrite.]: o_o dont ever say that!

[Tommy Gnossis]: Ns ns ns ns ns. Petty, you know it's actually because you're just too damn hot to handle. Like, too cool for school-o-rama. R.O, mein gute friend.

[Itsme2]: Eh?

[♥ Italian Women Can Get You in Trouble]: posuer shit shit shit

[PettyDeath]: I was only kidding about being black. Someone asked if I was chinese a few days ago though, sadly I'm not.. Avril's a poser, I'm not a poser because I don't try to fit in.. at all.. infact I clash against everything. I'm not even a punk or a metaller, but I do listen to those types of music. I'm irregularly unclassifiable. Btw, Tommy... you.. you have a purdy mouth..

[Tommy Gnossis]: Hey, fuckers...I know you are, but what am I?

[PettyDeath]: I'm a fucker. Fucking fucker of a fucker asshole. Hey, Gnossis, can I be a cabbage? I've always wanted to be a cabbage.

[Brass_Demon]: Well first of all punk is not how you dress or how you adress yourself its who you are. You cant just say your punk go out and buy a spiked bracelet and then demand respect. Punk is more of a way of life do your own shit where what you like not what your told by the media or the mainstream. If you like avril thats fine with me. I'm nothold a grudge against you because your style of music. But if you think your clothes define the type of person you are then you have another thing coming. And if you listen to avril thats cool be like hi I'm (insert name here) not I'm a pop star worshiping punk

[Brass_Demon]: Well first of all punk is not how you dress or how you adress yourself its who you are. You cant just say your punk go out and buy a spiked bracelet and then demand respect. Punk is more of a way of life do your own shit where what you like not what your told by the media or the mainstream. If you like avril thats fine with me. I'm gonna hav a grudge against you because your style of music. But if you think your clothes define the type of person you are then you have another thing coming And if you listen to avril thats cool be like hi I'm (insert name here) not I'm a pop star worshiping "punk". So the moral of the story is to do what you like not what your told to like and dont issue titles

[Itsme2]: *points up* A very carefully thought-out speech

[PettyDeath]: That's very true, I whole heartedly agree. Truth be told: I just wanted to get on the asshole's list.. I failed miserably.. but that's all. Just one slight thought: isn't Avril getting a little more.. showey? My brother said she was "sexy" in her new video, but I do recall her saying she didn't care. What gives?

[Itsme2]: I don't really care what she does...I enjoy her music so that's all I need to know

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Hello I have not written a comment in here for some time now, becuase no one has written an intelligent comment worth adding to. And I was sick and tired of constantly repeating myself while others did the same. But now finally someone with a thread of intelligence has written a comment that cosists of more than "Punks a poser and so are all of you" or "I like Avril and she's not a poser" those messages are rather pointless people. Sorry but this has been bugging me for a while. Anyway, the reason I am writing this is because I have been VERY impressed by [Brass_Demon]'s comment. he/she is absolutely right! Cloth do not make who you are, and music doesn't make who you are!......

[Itsme2]: I dunno, i guess I'm all by myself when it comes to opinions

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Punk is an attitude! Its a way of living and its a philosophy. That I believe in very greatly. I don't care if anyone thinks I'm a poser cause I like Avril or because I like Evanescence! Its good music so you all can kiss my ass! I can insult Avril quite a bit if I wanted to. She does seem hypocritical sometimes, who songs are constantly about love, and shes not very good at playing guitar. But what I made this wiki for is to stand up against all this crap against labeling unless ur calling someone a POSER! We don't know if Avril is a poser, because we don't know her! I'm gonna have to finish later cause I've gotta go! Sorry :(

[Itsme2]: I used to be against all the labeling stuff too...but a while back I realized that labels do exist and you're going to be labled your whole life whether you like it or not, so you might as well get used to it now.  That doesn't mean that you have to label others, but just don't argue with people about stuff like that

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yeah, I know what you mean. Things fit into groups sometimes and when they don't they go in Misc. , You shouldn't go around and label everybody and think that we need labels but they really aren't that bad. *shrugs* if you read my "actual description" I say that I don't like non-labelers who label labelers. If you couldn't follow that basically I can't stand these people who are so ANTI-LABELS and shit and yet they label anyone who labels a poser! It's very hypocritical!

[PettyDeath]: I love the "labels" people give others. See, truth is, I don't give a rats buttox what Avril really does, because as long as she keeps people entertained from what's REALLY happening in the world (i.e. starving children, wild spread of aids, forests burning in B.C., bad politics and war in various countries), then I guess that's all that really counts. And I guess you could say I applaud her efforts in the remake of "Knockin on heavens door" because she tried to raise awareness about futile waring. She can go under skruteny and be labelled and such, but as long as our minds are on that, and not on the world's woes, the big corporations have one and we're all good little puppets.

[PettyDeath]: won* not one... holy crap that was a retarded mistake I made....

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Good point. But thats what entertainers are for. I prefer them keeping their mouths shut. But also I prefer their music to say something. That kinda contradicts doesn't it. Well what I mean is I don't honestly give a shit if they are democrat or republican and don't want to listen to their crap about politics when they are ENTERTAINERS not politicians. Write dumbass songs about ur opinon but don't shove them down my throat cause I DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS!!!!!!

[PettyDeath]: But music isn't about shoving things down your throat, it's about listening to what you want to. Like, you have a radio - you can change the channel if you don't like the song, right? You buy a CD because it's the music you want to hear, you're not forced to buy a different one. Political music is amazing. I say this because people who don't want to sit and read in a textbook about music can sit there and learn about [yes] a biased opinion, but you can decide for yourself what you agree and don't agree with. Ahhh, the joys of free will.

[PettyDeath]: I didn't mean to have Yes the user join my little convo.. it was meant as a punctuation.. anyways... it doesn't matter who a person is, or where their coming from, it's the sound and it's what they have to say that are important. You guy like or hate Avril because of her-herself, or her music right? Did anyone TELL you to like her? No, but you chose to. See what I'm saying?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yeah I do. And I wasn't saying anything against political music. What I meant is when these singers and actresses who are artists all of a sudden come out acting as if they know more about politics than everybody else. and acting as if people actually care. They abuse their fame by shoving their political beliefs down peoples throats and that pisses me off! But if they come out singing about it and everybody knows thats what they're about and that's what their music is about then its quite all right with me. Even though it may annoying me cause I might disagree. But freedom of speech..... oh and also I would just like to state that when these dumbasses shove their believes down other....

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: people throats and then everyone gets pissed at them and they say it is against freedom of speech. Well that is ABSOLUTE bullshit! We didn't tell them they couldn't say it we said we didn't like it and disagree with a passion! Its like they have the right to freedom of speech but if anybody is against it or boycotts them its UNAMERICAN! Oh and I can't stand it when people throw that word around: unamerican. Especially people who have nooooo idea what it means. Anyway, sorry how did this turn into a political conversation? Sorry bout that but thats all been quite built up and annoying me for quite some time now. But back to Avril know what you mean nobody makes me listen to Avril.......

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Damn! I'm using up three sections so far! ..... and no one makes people listen to Led Zeppelin. Its just what people like to listen to. But I will say that rap is insanely shoved down peoples throats and thats all they ever fricking play on MTV or any other channel other than FUSE (I love fuse).

[PettyDeath]: Well, you CAN change the channel right? That's the point. And the people who have political beliefs, I APPLAUD them! I applaud their courage, and their intelligence. It's an opinion, and yes, things can be "unamerican". It's funny, I'm Canadian, I'm not a nationalist, but I think that speech and thought are more free in Canada than anywhere else. Being politically minded and sharing it with people isn't a bad thing, you can choose to listen to it or not. Avril decided to go political, she decided to go against the war in Iraq, made the Americans look like assholes. That's anti-Bush propaganda but still. Do you see my point at all? You can CHOOSE to turn things off and not listen, so it's not

[PettyDeath]: ...like you MUST listen, you MUST comply, no way. I listen to many political bands like Anti Flag and RAGE and they help me to better understand politics, as opposed to shoving them down my throat. I'm sorry to say, but I think you're wrong by saying people shove things down your throat - it only happens if you let them.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: You didn't listen to me did you? I say I don't mind political music! I just don't pissy ass people like Jack Black saying dumb ass shit like "I did to rock hard enough, cause I feel that if I don't rock hard enough we wont people able to overthrough the evil alien invader from his thrown" Jack Black has no fucking idea what he's talking about. And Anti Flag and other hippie bands came out doing political music from the beginning but its abusing and manipulative when someone comes out being normal music or a normal actor not really saying much gets a following of fans then all of a sudden.... they are like the most politically knowledgable people ever. Oh and Canada being so.....

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: for freedom of speech is bullshit! They don't even let Fox News be shown up there. and even if they are wrong or whatever everyone has the right to listen to their views and opinions! Oh and what are you talking bout Avril going all anti bush?! Never heard about that. And how in the hell would she make us look like assholes?! It would make her look like an asshole. Also they don't shove it down my throat but they shove it down other peoples throats who have a smaller IQ than me. NOt to sound cocky. But some people are clueless and when they hear their favorite actor say vote Kerry they are likely to listen. Which is unfair!

[PettyDeath]: You're on crack, I'm telling you. They don't let fox news be shown on because it's American, and we don't give a shit. Just because you're American doesn't mean I have to listen. And what music is is freedom, people can say and do whatever the hell they want, suck it up. I don't know how you're on about "pushing things down people's throats" because it just doesn't happen unless you're so maleable that it does happen. In that case, you shouldn't naive. They aren't Hippies so don't even say that, they are more intelligent than you could ever POSSIBLY dream of being. Politics are important, whether you choose to believe so or not. Avril IS anti-Bush, because look at "knockin on heavens door"..

[PettyDeath]: And it's all anti-Bush because it's about War, and what's associated with war? Bush! It showed children of war effected countries and how they suffer. Watch, in Bowling for Columbine, the part where there's a slideshow saying how the American military is involved in the war - it's all true. Jack Black is a comedian, I guess you don't understand that, so you're infact the one who doesn't know what their talking about. The "hippies" aren't abusing an manipulative, they don't CARE about popular music, they just want to have their say about politics and the government - and guess what? THEIR AMERICANS, what do you think of that?

[PettyDeath]: Maybe you should read a book on politics, sweety, before you hurt yourself thinking on your own. It's people like you who make the idiots in this world look so good.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: You are a fucking idiot who didn't read my comments thorougly! I am not going to argue with you anymore because I do not waste my time with people who have smaller IQ's than myself. You obvoiusly don't have the mental compasity to argue with anyone and understand their point of view without getting confrontational! Why don't you re-read what I wrote and then possibly we'll talk. I can't stand morons who think they are smarter than they are. If you don't know what you're talking about then I couldn't give a shit! Thank you and good day.

[PettyDeath]: I never let on I was smarter than you, so stop being a whiney little bitch and open your eyes. I complied with everything you said in your bitchy little posts. You are much younger than I am, and were bitching about something completely idiotic. _I_ don't have the mental "compasity"? Well at least I can spell right, sweety. You don't know what I'm talking about because I'm using a big girl opinion, you'll grow into it when you get your period and grow boobs, dear.

[PettyDeath]: You also went off topic, if you notice, and just attacked me for having an opinion. Wow, you're cool now!

[Itsme2]: Interesting...*sits back and watches*

[PettyDeath]: Heh, good job...

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I got pissed at you cause you kept twisting my words around and weren't listening to what I was saying. YOu were going around in circles and being a jackass!  And please do not act as if you are better than me cause you're are older. I know pleanty of people who are as old as their thirties who I am much smarter than and comprehend things much better than! You're problem is you don't read between the lines, you think you do but you don't! You think that because things don't efect you directly they don't efect you at all. Let me break it down for you: When a famous celebrity who has a huge following of stupid barely eighteen year old idiots says that everyone should vote Kerry then......

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: they most likely will run out to the polls and vote Kerry! Without having ample enough reasons to, its one thing to vote for someone cause you agree but another cause Jack Black and the Beastie Boys said to! Then do you know what'll happen? Kerry will become president. And that will effect you "sweety"! You may have the mental compasity to change the channel or not listen nor care. But not everyone is that smart and those people are not barred from voting! Read between the lines SWEETY!

[PettyDeath]: It's effect me "love", because I'm not a fuckin american. And don't try and tell me about myself, don't be an asshole, you should put YOURself on the asshole list where you belong. So what if Kerry becomes president? He'd have won, because the country is full of idiots who voted for him. They can't think for themselves? Anyways, the governmental seats would overrule the majority in the states, how do you think Bush got in? Maybe you should learn about politics a little more before you go off and bitch to me about what's what okay? People can do whatever the hell they want, it's democracy. Kerry will be elected if he sways enough government opnions, mmkay? Go take a civics class and come back

[PettyDeath]: and come back to me when your peculiar little balls finally drop. You're too young to understand big girl things. Are you even in highschool yet?

[Itsme2]: Heh...

[Tommy Gnossis]: *Sniffle* Can't we just...all get along? *Joins hands with death and smiley.* :-)

[PettyDeath]: By the way, Smiley, you were an asshole to Ten things to hate, they pooped their pants and you made fun of them! Where are your morals? You poop YOUR pants and tell people, walk a mile in Ten's shoes. Bitch.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: First off I am in fucking high-school! Thank you very much! You let arrogance and egotism get in the path from your brain to your mouth! I will not have an argument with anyone when my opinion is overruled due to my age! You fucking asswipe! And what the fuck are you talking about Ten things to hate for?! She wrote shit in my wiki and got added to the assholes list thank you very much! You think that by demeaning people and holding three whole fucking years over their heads will make you right! I DON"T THINK SO!!!!!!!!

[PettyDeath]: No, it doesn't make me right, but it makes me a little bit more intuned with politics. Arrogance and egotism come with age, love. You insulted my country and my ethnicity, which is cowardly and wrong. You ought to be spanked for that. In my country, you should get HUNG for that. I should post that part of the e-mail in here for all to read. She said poopey about me being Canadian and French. I'm not a nationalist but that just pisses me off that she would put my ethnicity on a pedistle like that and shoot at me. I'm hurt by your comments, smiley, and will report you for them. End of discussion. By the way - don't be so judgemental towards people, people are just trying to make a joke.

[PettyDeath]: Oh, and also. AVRIL LAVINGE IS A CANADIAN WITH A FRENCH NAME. You insulted her in that sense as well. Good job.

[PettyDeath]: SMILEY IS A RACIST!!

[Itsme2]: You know, I think both of you are taking it way out of proportion...*covers head and runs*...Yes, you both said some stupid things to each other, but so what? It's over and done with. You both made your points, so live and prosper with it.

[PettyDeath]: I just wanted to get on the assholes list.. But she went and got racist on my ass. I hate it.

[Tommy Gnossis]: *Joins Intsme2 and watches from a distance, also covering head* But it's really quite entertaining...

[Tommy Gnossis]: Itsme2^ Sorry...my mistake.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: You got racist on me first. And I was right, you would think that I was stupid and immature for being racist. Hmmmm..... brilliant having control over peoples emotions. Isn't it? Oh and please stop playing the race card I'm sure I have more hated nationalities than you so GET OVER IT!!!! And you can't really get on the assholes list cause you have to vandalize the wiki BUT I have a password on it now, so u are pretty much screwed also as I already stated I do NOT add people I don't like to the list or people that don't Avril only people who vandalize my page, but what would I expect you've never really paid attention to what I've said so why would I expect any different *shrugs*

[Diab Soule]: hee hee...you people are silly. 

[PettyDeath]: Calm down Duchess, it's over, we already said it was over. And yes, you're racist ^_^ I love immature people, they make others feel better. *humps Gnossis's leg* That's a damn good movie too! I'm going to make a Canadian list and YOU can't be on it (lmao I'm kidding).

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Okay last comment. Yes I am racist but not so much I hate other races just am aware of differences. For your information I was purposely being a racist bitch in that message cause you wouldn't stop insulting american politics. I don't like the french however (even though I am one) and SOME Canadians are dumbass liberal racist freaks but we got those in every country so whatever. I don't really care anymore just wanted to get the loose ends tied up. Oh and if I missed anything let me know. Bye.

[PettyDeath]: Hahahaha. I thought you weren't going to talk about it anymore eh? Can't resist talking to the Deathmeister. You still should not have been racist, and haven't apologized for that. NEVER COME TO CANADA... all I have to say.

[Diab Soule]: Canadia? Isn't that where they gots mooooses...I want to go...I likes mooses....weeeeee!

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I'll apologize if you do.... also, I have no intention of going to Canada. The whole country annoys me. Don't know why *shrugs*

[Diab Soule]: Avril Lavigne is from Canada...AND SO ARE MOOOOOOOSES!

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I know Avril is from Canada. I'm not stupid! AND MOOOOOOSES ROCK! Did you see that movie Brother Bear?! Tha whole movie pretty much sucked but I looooved the MOOSES!!!!! MOOSESNESSISH!!!!!!!

[Diab Soule]: Hee hee...i likes the little mooses.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]:

MOOSES!!!!!!!!!!!

[Diab Soule]: w00t!

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: OMIGOD! I just read all those Avril quotes in ur wiki and like she's a little bitch. Ain't she? hehehehehehe..... I think ur turning me. ^_^ but I don't hate her. But she does seem to be VERY hypocritical and dumb. But I'm thinking that what the problem is, is that she doesn't know what punk is and she is niave and confused. Someone needs to explain punk to her. She's gotten it confused. But she's more a wannabe than a poser. and I'm still undecided.

[Diab Soule]: hah!! w00t!!! I AM A CRAZY CAT DOIN COVERT OPERATIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE!! but seriously, on my wiki i just give the reasons for why i don't like her. i back up my hatred.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yuppers. Can't stand those people who say "Avril's a poser and so are all of you" they're dumbasses. They're not going to convince anyone by doing that. Its retarded!

[wiccagal]: Well, Avril is a poser, but I'm not saying all of you are. She says "I don't want people telling me what to wear" and there she is having her STYLIST telling her what to wear. I mean, if it was a one of a time thing I would understand, for like a concert or something, but why would she have someone CALLED A STYLIST work for her? *sigh* I'm not saying you all are posers, but that your tring to hard to be comething your not. Listen to come GOOD music. Her music is okay, but try someone like The Bright Eyes, or Reel Big Fish. Their WAY more worth the trouble.

[Dragonis999]: Avril is less punk then she ever was, not to say that she ever was punk.

[PettyDeath]: I have reasons to dislike her as well. She turned sexy. I am now jealous of the cute little outfits she gets to wear.. their kinky and hot. I feel weird but jealous. I ate in the pizzaria where she used to go - all I can say is the Pizza was amazing, regardless of whether she was there or not.

[Tommy Gnossis]: I'm a moose...a Canadian moose. "Moooooose." (I'm sure that has to be the sound they make).

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[Knight Of The Apocalipse]: avril is cool and all but this site is a fad and will end soon  i wont be checking up on this site so dont reply to my post, if u want to make this into a deal send me a message

[Dragonis999]: If you want punks, listen to the clash. If you want crap, listen Asshole, I mean Avril Lavinge

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Avril aint punk! She's just.... confused and needs to be taught what she thinks she knows. Hey I have a clash cassette tape from the 1980's but now I just need a cassette player. Details... details. lol.

[TearZ]: Avril is about as Punk as the Queens jubilee. You mongs wouldn't know punk if it smacked you on the ass and called you tracey. "Punks 4 Avril"? Get fuckin real.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: The name was merely meant to be catchy you ass! Avril's not fucking punk and no one here is claiming to be. Get over yourself! \

[PettyDeath]: Haha Dragonis is on the right track. Thumbs up *thumbs up*. Tearz, Mongs is an awesome word, and you're right. Smiley, go suck a lemon. Tommy, j00 |20><0|2z /\/\3 |30><0|2z... s'coo, s'coo. Knight, you're right too. I love you... except smiley because she's a racist.

[Diab Soule]: HAHA....! 5|_|(|< 1!|\/|35

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: I thought we finished this! Also, as I said I'll apologize for saying merely "controversial" racist words if you apologize for saying biased and mean-spirited racist words!

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[PettyDeath]: Hey, Smiley, stop being so controlling. 70/\/\/\/\\| 7@|<3 /\/\3 !|\| 73|-| @55.

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[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Alrighty.

[PettyDeath]: 70/\/\/\/\\| 157 7e|-| 53><0|2Z

[Death's Die-Ary]: she's so hott

[Death's Die-Ary]: sorry that was a retarded comment *shrugs* o well,fuck it *Smiles* ^_^

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Confuzzled. Whos hott?!

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Acctually I think Avril isn't punk at all...I don't have anything against her I enjoy her music and I think she has talent...but she's not "punk" Avril sings about stupid boyfriends and the way love feels...that's not punk It's just a girl trying to let her feelings out...Punk is more rebeling against the govornment...as in The Offspings "LAPD" which talks about the coruption in the Los Angelous police force. That's punk...avril and Good Charlotte aren't

[Itsme2]: yeah, that's why I like her. She sings about what she wants, and dresses the way she wants.

[Death's Die-Ary]: i dont think she ever said she was punk O_o

[Diab Soule]: actually she did. check teh wiki [avril haters] it shows why she is disliked.

[PettyDeath]: Yeah, she said it in an interview with Much Music. It's a Canadian music station. I like how she tells the guy "get off of my bed" and "did you think that I was going to give it up to you". It's pertinent to the life of a teen girl. A virgin teen girl.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Ummmm..... yeah I will admit she did say she was punk *sadly* but I honestly think she is merely confused about what punk is and needs someone to have a sit down with her and explain it to her. At least she's not one of these idiots who TRY so hard to be punk and are like "don't label me" but looove it to death when someone calls them punk, goth or a freak. But pretends to be pissy. It is such retardation. Ohhh and the link is Avril Haters. lol.

[Tommy Gnossis]: She SAID she is punk? Ahahaha. *Axes her down.*

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Yuppers! Actually to be more exact she said she was the Sid Vicious of our generatoin..... uhh yeah *rolls eyes*

[PettyDeath]: Yeah but Sid was as least smart enough to DIE.

[Blond_ginger]: Just thought i wud say i tink avril is Soooooooooooooooo FIT:)

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: You mean like in good shape?! *confused*

[Diab Soule]: Hey smiley chick...didn't you make this wiki....and now you're dissing her?

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: ya how does that make sence?

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Ummmm..... no. I'm dissing what she said. Which was entirely lame. There is NO way around that. I will not fight for foolish pride.

[PettyDeath]: Nearly admirable Smiley... Avril got slutty - what little respect I had for her is lost. Anyone ever see her without makeup on? I did *shudder*

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Hey [PettyDeath] I looked up tween and it turns out that Tween DOES mean pre-teen but Tweenager means A person who is chronologically beyond nineteen but developmentally still a teenager.  So you were right and I was confused. lol.

[Tommy Gnossis]: Okay, okay...she said that she is the SID VICIOUS of our generation?! That is even more absurd...man...let's give her some heroin injections to the eye. THEN she might be a little more Sid-y. But just a little.

[Death's Die-Ary]: i think after a while talking about her music will get overated...so i think if ppl dont like it then ignore it (and listen to wut u do think is "punk")...thats all i can suggest...

[GothicDrow]: i won't attack your ideas, but i will attack your fucking spelling. love avril all you want, but until you learn how to spell BOWEL, (not bowl, you stupid fucker of bleeding cunts) don't make the attempt to insult anyone else.

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: [Death's Die-Ary] you are sooo totally right. You've made more since than most people. These people let Avril make an impression on them and then they talk about her and she becomes EVEN more famous.  Just let everything run its course, I mean no one lasts forever. And sooner or later she will release a record no one will buy it and all of you people will be married with two kids... lol.

[Death's Die-Ary]: lol damn straight,cuz i mean how long can ppl keep complaining about the same thing...."she's not this.....she's not that....she claims she's this" i mean okay thats kinda boring now...just ignore her than..she's gonna continue whether ppl like her or not.

[Tommy Gnossis]: Eh...that's just what celebrities do to people. Though she WILL continue with all her stuff, people everywhere will continue to either dislike her or like her...kind of thing. I say all parties should just do their thing. There's really no harm. 

[Death's Die-Ary]: yeah i agree

[Tommy Gnossis]: :)

[Itsme2]: yup

[SS Deathstar Super Galactik]: GothicDrow you kick ass^_^

[Dragonis999]: I agree, but she ruined punk for me. So my thing is raggin on her.

[MCLovin]: i like hurr

[connor's left elftown]: [*_* Smiley on Ecstasy] thankyou 4 making this wiki and having the courage to stick up for AVRIL!!

[*_* Smiley on Ecstasy]: Thank you for supporting this wiki!

[Death's Die-Ary]: yeah good job on stickin up for her.

[duende_negro]: GothicDrow great!

[My own Disaster]: that things out of my page...i saved... i thought that meant something to you...haha dont mind my sense of humor......anyway....she doesnt even dress unqiue anymore she hangs out with paris hilton and nichole richie and dresses like em and is on cosmo so now ya'll cant say shes punk and whatnot

[Dragonis999]: her fans are dipshits. On much (canadain mtv) they interviewed a fan, and she was drewwed exactly like avirl and she said, "I do like avril, I don't dress like anyone like me, this aint her style, it's mine"

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: hey I like her...and I'm not punk or goth or anything...I dress modestly...and without tons of make up

[Itsme2]: Yeah, I think it was mostly her fans that started all this shit. Mind you she did say some pretty stupid things, but I think people took it out of proportion. She was only 16 when she started singing, so you can't expect her to say the right thing all the time.

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Ya...who's mature at that age? And when your just getting famous? I mean give her a break

[Itsme2]: yeah, exactly.

[Death's Die-Ary]: *crowd cheers "Yeah"*

[My own Disaster]: yeah they really did, but im sure the sales of those stupid arm bands didnt help her situation in the quest to be different......also,why do i not hear any talk about good charlotte and rancid? they are just like her, and same with ashlee simpson...shes even -worse- than avril ,shes gone and aid she and her music are punk...ha...i done.....also can i please get credit for that thing up there...my rant, whoever is the owner of this wiki?

[Death's Die-Ary]: metal music doesnt really pay attention to who's fake and who isnt,its about "is the music good?"

[Death's Die-Ary]: i'm more of the metal type,so i dun care who messes up the "punk" music, punk music is too conforming, u have to sing this way and dress this way,its too stupid to me, metal is more you do what u want....

[My own Disaster]: punk was like that in 80's...this new stuff is called like punk u and stuff, bbands like afi and all that...not bad but way different then their roots....i too am a metal fan, i would totally listen to a7x and shit like that then this new wave punk

[The Scarlet Pumpernickle]: Hey do you mind typing with proper capitals and puntuation? It would make your typing alot easier to read.

[Death's Die-Ary]: takes too much thought, i'm too lazy right now

[My own Disaster]: proper capitals make it easier to read?....anyway, i did use punctuation...so...whatever, if you cant read it, my bad, but im not gonna change the way i type for 1 person.not to sound mean but, cant read it first time,the dont bother wasting your time